Vinzenz Drettler1,2

M, b. circa 1890, d. circa 1970

Father*[f/o Anna] Drettler2 b. c 1870, d. c 1950
Mother*[mo of Anna Drettler] (--?--)2 b. c 1870, d. c 1950
Vinzenz Drettler|b. c 1890\nd. c 1970|p3.htm#i114|[f/o Anna] Drettler|b. c 1870\nd. c 1950|p3.htm#i113|[mo of Anna Drettler] (--?--)|b. c 1870\nd. c 1950|p1.htm#i112|||||||||||||

NoteVinzenz Drettler was a witness In 1922, Abraham Drettler is on the same page of the ship's register of the S.S. Paris as a Steinmetz family. This family may be connected, though none of the names match Vincenz, Mizzi, or Anna. with [f/o Anna] Drettler.3 
Misc*Vinzenz Drettler was Vinzenz Drettler's relationship to the focus group Drettler family is unknown at this time. 
Birth*He was born circa 1890.2  
Residence*He lived on 12 May 1914 in Vienna III, Austria, Place from Anna Drettler's ship register entry..2 
Death*He died circa 1970 in Austria (assumed). Date estimated on birth year.4 

Last Edited21 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. Named as brother of Anna Drettler in ship's register.
  2. [S8] Ship Name: S.S. President Lincoln May 1914.
  3. [S8] 1922 S.S. Paris from Le Havre.
  4. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

William I. Drettler1,2

M, b. 8 March 1903, d. 8 June 1998

Father*Abraham Drettler b. 1860, d. 22 May 1946
Mother*Helen Knobler b. 1860, d. Dec 1911
William I. Drettler|b. 8 Mar 1903\nd. 8 Jun 1998|p3.htm#i35|Abraham Drettler|b. 1860\nd. 22 May 1946|p2.htm#i19|Helen Knobler|b. 1860\nd. Dec 1911|p3.htm#i20|Isidor Dreiblatt|b. c 1835\nd. c 1925|p2.htm#i17|[wife of Isidor Dreiblatt] (--?--)|b. c 1840\nd. c 1925|p1.htm#i18|||||||

ChartsAbraham Drettler Descendants
Isidor Dreiblatt (born 1835) Descendants

Birth*William I. Drettler was born on 8 March 1903 in Tarnopol, Austria. Age 17 in ship's register 1920. Birth date from SSDI. Place=Austria from SSN application and from ship's register 1920. Place=Poland from father's naturalization record.3,4,5,6,7 
Emigration*He emigrated on 4 May 1911 from Tarnopol, Austria, M; Traveled with uncle Adolf and cousin Moritz (Morris).8 
Immigration*He immigrated on 3 June 1911 to Ship = S.S. Amerika, New York City, New York; Port of departure = Hamburg, Germany on 4 May 1911. Age 8 in ship's register. Came with uncle Adolf Drettler (brother of father). Listed as Adolf's son in ship's register.3,9 
Name Variation As of 3 June 1911, William I. Drettler was also known as Isadore Wilhelm Drettler.3 
Travel*He traveled to in Poland between 1913 and 1920. Ship's register in 1920 states Wm was last in the U.S. from 1911-1912. William arrived in the U.S. in 1911 and returned to the U.S. in May 1920.10 
CensusHe appeared on the census of 1920 William returned to Austria in 1913 and then came back to the U.S. from Austria on 4 May 1920. The census date for 1920 was 1 Jan 1920, and so he was not enumerated in the 1920 census. (When he left the U.S. in 1913, the area to which he returned was part of Austria, when he returned to the U.S. in 1920, that area had become part of Poland.). 
EmigrationHe emigrated on 24 April 1920 from Zolkov, Poland, M; Age 17 in ship's register.5 
ImmigrationHe immigrated on 4 May 1920 to New York City, New York; Parents Abraham Drettler in Zolkov, Poland.11 
Naturalization*He was naturalized on 27 May 1925 in U.S. District Court, New York City, New York; 1) Date from naturailzation petition. 2) Listed in NY Naturlizations index, but no date on card. Card #63344. No petition #.12,13
Occupation*He was a policeman in 1930 in New York City, New York.14 
Census*He appeared on the census of 1930 in Manhatten, New York Co, New York, Indexed on Ancestry as "Brettler." Age 28. Single. Policeman. Immigration in 1911. Naturalized.15 
Marriage*He married Jean Blaustein, daughter of Oscar Blaustein and Clara [w/o Oscar Blaustein] (--?--), on 8 June 1935 in Manhattan, New York Co, New York; Certificate #11704.1 
SSN*His Social Security Number was 119-22-8484, issued between 1936 and 1950 in New York.16 
Name Variation As of 1946, William I. Drettler was also known as William Irving Drettler.7 
Death*He died on 8 June 1998 in Brooklyn, Kings Co, New York, at age 95.4  

Family

Jean Blaustein b. 1 Jan 1909, d. 31 Jan 1994
Marriage*He married Jean Blaustein, daughter of Oscar Blaustein and Clara [w/o Oscar Blaustein] (--?--), on 8 June 1935 in Manhattan, New York Co, New York; Certificate #11704.1 
Child

Last Edited2 Jan 2011

Citations:

  1. [S11] NY Marriages, online www.stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages.
  2. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Abraham's naturalization record lists Isidore William as son., unknown repository address.
  3. [S8]
  4. [S2] SSDI.
  5. [S9] Ellis Island Records , S.S. Leopolina. Port of departure Le Havre.
  6. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Abraham's naturalization record lists Isidore William's birth date., unknown repository address.
  7. [S38] Social Security Admin, Office of Central Operations, 1500 Woodlawn Dr., Baltimore, MD 2141-1500, SSN Application.
  8. [S8] S.S. Amerika sailing from Hamburg, Germany.
  9. [S9] Ellis Island Records.
  10. [S8] S.S. Leopoldina sailing from Le Havre and arriving New York
    24 Apr 1920-4 May 1920.
  11. [S8] S.S. Leopoldina.
  12. [S22] New York Petitions for Naturalization, , The Generations Network, Inc., Provo, Utah.
  13. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, William Drettler's naturaiizatin petition., unknown repository address.
  14. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, Manhatten, District 132.
  15. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, New York-New York County, Manhatten, District 132.
  16. [S37] Stevemorse.org, online http://stevemorse.org, Decoding Social Security Numbers. <http://stevemorse.org/ssn/ssn.html
  17. [S17] Veromi.net, online www.veromi.net, Oct 2007.

[f/o Anna] Drettler1

M, b. circa 1870, d. circa 1950

Note*[f/o Anna] Drettler In 1922, Abraham Drettler is on the same page of the ship's register of the S.S. Paris as a Steinmetz family. This family may be connected, though none of the names match Vincenz, Mizzi, or Anna.2 
Birth*He was born circa 1870.1  
Marriage*He married [mo of Anna Drettler] (--?--) circa 1890.1 
Death*[f/o Anna] Drettler died circa 1950 in New York (assumed). Date estimated on birth year.3 

Family

[mo of Anna Drettler] (--?--) b. c 1870, d. c 1950
Children

Last Edited14 Dec 2010

Citations:

  1. [S8] Ship Name: S.S. President Lincoln May 1914.
  2. [S8] 1922 S.S. Paris from Le Havre.
  3. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

[redacted: mo of Baby Girl] Drettler1

F, b.

Birth*[redacted: mo of Baby Girl] Drettler was born in .2  
Liaison*She and [redacted: fa of Baby Girl] (--?--) were involved in a liaison circa November 1962 in Los Angeles Co (assumed), California (assumed). A child resulted. Child relinquished for adoption.3 

Family

[redacted: fa of Baby Girl] (--?--) b. bt 1940 - 1945
Child

Last Edited16 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S24] Interview, Interview with adoptee.
  2. [S24] Interview, Interview with adoptee about Feb 2006.
  3. [S1] California Birth Index 1905-1995, Birth record (1905-1995).

Morris Drettler1

M, b. 7 August 1893, d. April 1968

Father*Abraham Drettler2,3 b. 1860, d. 22 May 1946
Mother*Helen Knobler3 b. 1860, d. Dec 1911
Morris Drettler|b. 7 Aug 1893\nd. Apr 1968|p3.htm#i16|Abraham Drettler|b. 1860\nd. 22 May 1946|p2.htm#i19|Helen Knobler|b. 1860\nd. Dec 1911|p3.htm#i20|Isidor Dreiblatt|b. c 1835\nd. c 1925|p2.htm#i17|[wife of Isidor Dreiblatt] (--?--)|b. c 1840\nd. c 1925|p1.htm#i18|||||||

ChartsDrettler-White Ancestors: Combined
Drettler Ancestors
Abraham Drettler Descendants
Isidor Dreiblatt (born 1835) Descendants

Name Variation Morris Drettler was also known as Moritz, Morrie Moritz in 1930 census. Morrie in 1920 Naturalization record.1,4 
Birth*He was born on 7 August 1893 in Tarnopol (assumed), Austria; Birth date from SSN application, SSDI and WWII Draft Reg. Place = Tarnopol, Austria in ship's register 1911. Place = Galacia/Austria WWI Draft Registration 1917. Place = Austria 1920 census. Place = Poland 1930 census. Place = Lanberg, Poland (AKA Lemburg, Austria) in WWII Draft Reg Cards 1942.2,5,6,7,8,9 
BirthHe was born on 28 August 1893 in Poland. Birth date and place from Abraham's naturalization petition.10 
EmigrationHe emigrated in 1909 from Austria M; Date and place from 1920 census.11 
EmigrationHe emigrated in 1910 from Poland M; Date and place from 1930 census.12 
Emigration*He emigrated on 4 May 1911 from Tarnopol, Austria, M.13 
Immigration*He immigrated on 3 June 1911 to New York City, New York; Port of departure = Hamburg, Germany. Ship = S.S. Amerika.
Age 17 in ship's register. The S.S. Amerika was used for troop transport in both WWI and WWII.2,14 
Milit-Beg*He registered for military service between 1917 and 1918 in Manhattan, New York City, New York Co, New York, World War I draft registration.5 
Event-Misc*He was Investigation of Morris for U.S. military service. See attached document.
FBI Case Files: Old German Files 1909-1921.
#8000-129127 pg 2 on 4 February 1918 in Camp Stuart, Warwick County, Virginia.15
Marriage*He married Mary Aron, daughter of Izzy Aron and Ethel Zimmerman, on 29 November 1919 in Manhattan, New York Co, New York; "Aran" spelling may be error in marriage records.
NY Marriage record on Italian Genealogical Group Web site, linked to jewishgenealogy.com.
Certificate #5160.
1930 census: Morris age 37, Mary age 32.16,17 
CensusMorris Drettler appeared on the census of 1920 in Brooklyn, New York City, Kings Co, New York, Age 26. He was a boarder with the George and Lena Fuhrmann family. Not living with Mary though listed as married in census. Immigrated 1909.11 
OccupationHe was a tailor in a clothing factory. in 1920 in Brooklyn, Kings Co, New York.11 
Naturalization*He was naturalized on 30 March 1920 in New York Co, New York; New York Supreme Court Naturalization Petition: Vol 415, Page 54. Name is "Morrie Drettler" in petition.12,18 
Occupation*He was an operator in a clothing factory. in 1930 in Brooklyn, Kings Co, New York.12 
Census*He appeared on the census of 18 April 1930 in 3036 West 1st St (Block F), Brooklyn, Kings County, New York, Morris (37 yo) and Mary (32 yo) able to read and write.
Isidore age 8.19
SSN*His Social Security Number was 065-01-2381, issued between 1936 and 1950 in New York.20 
Milit-BegHe registered for military service on 26 April 1942 in Brooklyn, New York, World War II Draft Registration. Serial number 3531.
Hgt 5'11''. Wgt 175 lbs. Eyes=brown, hair=gray, complexion=ruddy. Wears glasses.21
Death*He died in April 1968 in Brooklyn, Kings Co, New York, at age 74.6  

Family

Mary Aron b. 12 Apr 1897, d. Dec 1976
Marriage*He married Mary Aron, daughter of Izzy Aron and Ethel Zimmerman, on 29 November 1919 in Manhattan, New York Co, New York; "Aran" spelling may be error in marriage records.
NY Marriage record on Italian Genealogical Group Web site, linked to jewishgenealogy.com.
Certificate #5160.
1930 census: Morris age 37, Mary age 32.16,17 
Children

Last Edited26 Dec 2010

Citations:

  1. [S6] 1930 Federal Census.
  2. [S8]
  3. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Petition of Abraham Drettler, 1931., unknown repository address.
  4. [S22] New York Petitions for Naturalization, , The Generations Network, Inc., Provo, Utah.
  5. [S20] "WW I Draft Reg Cards 1917-18."
  6. [S2] SSDI.
  7. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, Brooklyn, Kings Co, District 16.
  8. [S16] "WW II Draft Reg Cards 1942", Birthplace: Lanburg, Poland.
  9. [S38] Social Security Admin, Office of Central Operations, 1500 Woodlawn Dr., Baltimore, MD 2141-1500, SSN Application.
  10. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Petition of Abraham Drettler, Nov 1931., unknown repository address.
  11. [S15] 1920 Federal Census, New York-Kings Co, Brooklyn, District __.
  12. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, New York-Kings Co, Brooklyn, District 16.
  13. [S8] S.S. Amerika sailing from Hamburg, Germany.
  14. [S9] Ellis Island Records.
  15. [S43] FBI File, www.footnote.com.
  16. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, AD 16, ED 24.
  17. [S11] NY Marriages, online www.stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages.
  18. [S35] Www.ancestry.com Naturalization record, Volume #415, Page 54 , The Generations Network, Inc., Provo, Utah.
  19. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, Brooklyn, Kings Co, Assembly District 16.
  20. [S37] Stevemorse.org, online http://stevemorse.org, Decoding Social Security Numbers. <http://stevemorse.org/ssn/ssn.html
  21. [S16] "WW II Draft Reg Cards 1942", Serial Number 3531, Registration Card Number 2051.

Frimeze Eckstein1,2

F, b. between 1886 and 1887, d. circa 1965

Birth*Frimeze Eckstein was born between 1886 and 1887 in Austria.2  
Immigration*She immigrated on 7 February 1905; Home listed as Krasmer (sp?), Austria.2 
Death*She died circa 1965 in New York (assumed).2  

Last Edited1 Jan 2011

Citations:

  1. Frimeze is the cousin of Anna Wigdorowitz Blicker and the niece of S. Wigdorowitz.
    Spelling is not definite. In ship's register it shows Frime?e. (? could be z or g, looks most like other "z"s on page).
  2. [S8] S.S. Zeeland arriving 7 Feb 1905.

[m/o Adelaide M.] Farinari1

F, b. circa 1860, d. circa 1930

Birth*[m/o Adelaide M.] Farinari was born circa 1860 in Italy.1  
Married Name As of circa 1880,her married name was Lombardi.2 
Marriage*She married [f/o Adelaide M.] Lombardi circa 1880 in Italy.2 
Death*[m/o Adelaide M.] Farinari died circa 1930 in Italy (assumed).1  

Family

[f/o Adelaide M.] Lombardi b. c 1855, d. c 1925
Child

Last Edited26 Sep 2010

Citations:

  1. [S33] Calif Death Index.
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

Harry Fine1

M, b. 18 June 1888, d. July 1974

Birth*Harry Fine was born on 18 June 1888 in Russia. Date from SSDI.1,2 
Marriage*He married Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--) in 1911 in Brooklyn (assumed), New York; Age at marriage: Harry 19, Rebecca 17 (from 1930 census).1 
Census*Harry Fine appeared on the census of 1930.1 
SSN*His Social Security Number was 059-10-2614, issued between 1936 and 1950 in New York.2 
Death*He died in July 1974 in New York County, New York, at age 86.2  

Family

Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--) b. 24 Jun 1889, d. Mar 1978
Children

Last Edited21 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, 1930 New York- Kings Co, Brooklyn.
  2. [S2] SSDI.

Jules Fine1,2

M, b. 2 September 1915, d. August 1983

Father*Harry Fine3 b. 18 Jun 1888, d. Jul 1974
Mother*Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--)3 b. 24 Jun 1889, d. Mar 1978
Jules Fine|b. 2 Sep 1915\nd. Aug 1983|p3.htm#i31|Harry Fine|b. 18 Jun 1888\nd. Jul 1974|p3.htm#i70|Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--)|b. 24 Jun 1889\nd. Mar 1978|p1.htm#i71|||||||||||||

SSN*His Social Security Number was 109-05-7185., issued in New York.2 
Name Variation Jules Fine was also known as Julius Fine.1,4,3 
Birth*He was born on 2 September 1915 in New York.1,5  
Census*He appeared on the census of 1930 in Brooklyn, Kings Co, New York.3 
CensusHe appeared on the census of 1930 in the household of Harry Fine.3 
Marriage*Jules Fine married Adele Betty White, daughter of Jacob Henry White and Rose Spindel, circa 1970; Date is guestimate.1,6 
Death*Jules Fine died in August 1983 in Kailua, Honolulu Co, Hawaii, at age 67.1,2  

Family

Adele Betty White b. 1 Oct 1924, d. 30 Nov 2001
Marriage*He married Adele Betty White, daughter of Jacob Henry White and Rose Spindel, circa 1970; Date is guestimate.1,6 

Last Edited21 Nov 2007

Citations:

  1. [S4] Obituary.
  2. [S2] SSDI.
  3. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, 1930 New York- Kings Co, Brooklyn.
  4. [S5] ZabaSearch, online www.zabasearch.com.
  5. [S6] 1930 Federal Census.
  6. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

Lillian Fine1

F, b. 1913, d. say 1970

Father*Harry Fine1 b. 18 Jun 1888, d. Jul 1974
Mother*Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--)1 b. 24 Jun 1889, d. Mar 1978
Lillian Fine|b. 1913\nd. s 1970|p3.htm#i73|Harry Fine|b. 18 Jun 1888\nd. Jul 1974|p3.htm#i70|Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--)|b. 24 Jun 1889\nd. Mar 1978|p1.htm#i71|||||||||||||

Birth*Lillian Fine was born in 1913 in New York.1  
CensusShe appeared on the census of 1930 in the household of Harry Fine.1 
Death*Lillian Fine died say 1970 in New York (assumed).2  

Last Edited23 Oct 2007

Citations:

  1. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, 1930 New York- Kings Co, Brooklyn.
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

Stella Fine1

F, b. 1912, d. say 1980

Father*Harry Fine1 b. 18 Jun 1888, d. Jul 1974
Mother*Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--)1 b. 24 Jun 1889, d. Mar 1978
Stella Fine|b. 1912\nd. s 1980|p3.htm#i72|Harry Fine|b. 18 Jun 1888\nd. Jul 1974|p3.htm#i70|Rebecca [w/o Harry Fine] (--?--)|b. 24 Jun 1889\nd. Mar 1978|p1.htm#i71|||||||||||||

Birth*Stella Fine was born in 1912 in New York.1  
CensusShe appeared on the census of 1930 in the household of Harry Fine.1 
Death*Stella Fine died say 1980.1  

Last Edited23 Oct 2007

Citations:

  1. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, 1930 New York- Kings Co, Brooklyn.

Add 2 daughters Hagiwara1

F, b. between 1972 and 1975

Father*[h/o Charlotte K Drettler] Hagiwara1
Mother*Charlotte K. [candidate dau of Edward Drettler] Drettler1
Add 2 daughters Hagiwara|b. bt 1972 - 1975|p3.htm#i142|[h/o Charlotte K Drettler] Hagiwara||p3.htm#i141|Charlotte K. [candidate dau of Edward Drettler] Drettler||p2.htm#i110|||||||Edward Drettler|b. 5 Jan 1909\nd. Jul 1981|p2.htm#i33|Charlotte D. Munzberg|b. 24 May 1909\nd. 13 Sep 2010|p4.htm#i82|

ChartsAbraham Drettler Descendants
Isidor Dreiblatt (born 1835) Descendants

Birth*Add 2 daughters Hagiwara was born between 1972 and 1975 in Aurora (assumed), Colorado (assumed). Hagiwara, Masako Naomi
Hagiwara, Nobue Ruth

Birth years estimated on marrige date estimate.2,3 

Last Edited15 Dec 2010

Citations:

  1. [S17] Veromi.net, online www.veromi.net.
  2. [S17] Veromi.net, online www.veromi.net, Daughters' names from Veromi.net.
  3. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

[h/o Charlotte K Drettler] Hagiwara1

M, b. circa 1945

Birth*[h/o Charlotte K Drettler] Hagiwara was born circa 1945.1  
Marriage*He married Charlotte K. [candidate dau of Edward Drettler] Drettler, daughter of Edward Drettler and Charlotte Dorothea Munzberg, circa 1970; Marriage date estimated on birth year.
Marriage place is possibly Colorado.1,2 

Family

Charlotte K. [candidate dau of Edward Drettler] Drettler b. 22 Sep 1945
Child

Last Edited15 Dec 2010

Citations:

  1. [S41] U.S. Public Records Index.
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.
  3. [S17] Veromi.net, online www.veromi.net.

(--?--) Harris1

M, b. circa 1900, d. circa 1975

Birth*(--?--) Harris was born circa 1900.1  
Marriage*He married Anne Marion Paola, daughter of Francisco Mario Paola and Adelaide M. Lombardi, circa 1920 in California (assumed).1 
Death*(--?--) Harris died circa 1975.1  

Family

Anne Marion Paola b. 1 Jan 1901, d. 27 Mar 1992

Last Edited21 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S33] Calif Death Index.

Samuel Haslibacher1

M, b. circa 1870, d. circa 1950

Father*Samuel Haslibacher1 b. c 1850, d. c 1925
Samuel Haslibacher|b. c 1870\nd. c 1950|p3.htm#i155|Samuel Haslibacher|b. c 1850\nd. c 1925|p3.htm#i156||||||||||||||||

Birth*Samuel Haslibacher was born circa 1870.1  
Marriage*He married Ferda Drettler, daughter of John Drettler and Margaret Shafft, on 11 September 1892 in Manhattan, New York County, New York.1 
Death*Samuel Haslibacher died circa 1950.1  

Family

Ferda Drettler b. c 1872, d. c 1950

Last Edited14 Feb 2011

Citations:

  1. [S48] New York Marriages, 1686-1980: Entry for Ferda Drettler (daughter) and Samuel Haslibacher.

Samuel Haslibacher1

M, b. circa 1850, d. circa 1925

Birth*Samuel Haslibacher was born circa 1850.1  
Marriage*He married Elisabeth Ledermann circa 1870 in New York (assumed).1 
Death*Samuel Haslibacher died circa 1925.1  

Family 1

Elisabeth Ledermann b. c 1850, d. c 1925

Family 2
Child

Last Edited14 Feb 2011

Citations:

  1. [S48] New York Marriages, 1686-1980: Entry for Ferda Drettler (daughter) and Samuel Haslibacher.

George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm1

M, b. 18 October 1911, d. 1 December 1978

Father*[f/o George A.] Herm2 b. c 1890, d. c 1970
Mother*[m/o George Herm] Mc Ley b. c 1890, d. c 1970
George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm|b. 18 Oct 1911\nd. 1 Dec 1978|p3.htm#i46|[f/o George A.] Herm|b. c 1890\nd. c 1970|p3.htm#i126|[m/o George Herm] Mc Ley|b. c 1890\nd. c 1970|p4.htm#i125|||||||||||||

Birth*George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm was born on 18 October 1911 in San Mateo County, California.1  
Marriage*He married [mo of Marcene Herm] Knapp circa 1930 in California (assumed).1 
Death*George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm died on 1 December 1978 in San Mateo, California, at age 67. Middle initial listed as "E."3 

Family

[mo of Marcene Herm] Knapp b. c 1910, d. c 1990
Child

Last Edited21 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S1] California Birth Index 1905-1995, Birth record (1905-1995).
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.
  3. [S33] Calif Death Index.

Marcene Adele Herm1,2,3

F, b. 10 May 1931, d. 2 March 1975

Father*George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm3 b. 18 Oct 1911, d. 1 Dec 1978
Mother*[mo of Marcene Herm] Knapp3 b. c 1910, d. c 1990
Marcene Adele Herm|b. 10 May 1931\nd. 2 Mar 1975|p3.htm#i10|George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm|b. 18 Oct 1911\nd. 1 Dec 1978|p3.htm#i46|[mo of Marcene Herm] Knapp|b. c 1910\nd. c 1990|p3.htm#i45|[f/o George A.] Herm|b. c 1890\nd. c 1970|p3.htm#i126|[m/o George Herm] Mc Ley|b. c 1890\nd. c 1970|p4.htm#i125|||||||

Married NameHer married name was Drettler.4 
Name Variation Marcene Adele Herm was also known as Marcene A. Hafen Middle initial from Calif Marriage Index.4,2 
Birth*She was born on 10 May 1931 in Los Angeles Co, California. Birth date from SSDI, Calif Birth Index, and Find a Grave. Mother's maiden name is Knapp.4,2,5,3,6 
SSN*Her Social Security Number was 511-22-3477, issued between 1936 and 1950 in Kansas.4,7 
Residence*She lived say 1950 in Kansas Her SSN was issued in Kansas..4 
Milit.*She was in military service in the U.S. Navy. She was a Chief Petty Officer. between 1950 and 1970.8 
Marriage*She married Isidore Morris Drettler, son of Morris Drettler and Mary Aron, on 29 July 1967 in Contra Costa Co, California; Irving age 46. Marcene age 36. State file # 68780.4,2 
Death*Marcene Adele Herm died on 2 March 1975 in Santa Monica, Los Angeles Co, California, at age 43.4,5,6  
Burial*She was buried on 2 September 1975 in Santa Monica, Los Angeles Co, California, Plot: Section 311, Row H, Site 12.
Not sure why burial is Sep when death is Mar.8 

Family

Isidore Morris Drettler b. 7 May 1921, d. 23 Aug 1972
Marriage*She married Isidore Morris Drettler, son of Morris Drettler and Mary Aron, on 29 July 1967 in Contra Costa Co, California; Irving age 46. Marcene age 36. State file # 68780.4,2 

Last Edited22 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. Herm is maiden name. Middle name from Calif Birth Index.
  2. [S7] Calif Marriage Index 1960-85.
  3. [S1] California Birth Index 1905-1995, Birth record (1905-1995).
  4. [S2] SSDI.
  5. [S19] Find a Grave, online www.findagrave.com.
  6. [S33] Calif Death Index.
  7. [S37] Stevemorse.org, online http://stevemorse.org, Decoding Social Security Numbers. <http://stevemorse.org/ssn/ssn.html
  8. [S29] Joy Fisher, L.A. National Cemetery.

[f/o George A.] Herm1

M, b. circa 1890, d. circa 1970

Birth*[f/o George A.] Herm was born circa 1890 in California (assumed).1  
Marriage*He married [m/o George Herm] Mc Ley circa 1910 in California (assumed).1 
Death*[f/o George A.] Herm died circa 1970 in California (assumed).1  

Family

[m/o George Herm] Mc Ley b. c 1890, d. c 1970
Child

Last Edited20 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

Michael S. Kealoha

M, b. circa 1945

Birth*Michael S. Kealoha was born circa 1945 in Hawaii (assumed).  
Marriage*He married Donna Jean Drettler, daughter of Isidore Morris Drettler and Adele Betty White, on 4 January 1990 in Clark Co, Nevada.1 
Divorce*Michael S. Kealoha and Donna Jean Drettler were divorced circa 2000 in Hawaii; Using surname Clayton in 2001 when mother died.2 

Family

Donna Jean Drettler b. Oct 1945

Last Edited29 Oct 2007

Citations:

  1. [S26] NV Marriage Index.
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

[mo of Marcene Herm] Knapp1

F, b. circa 1910, d. circa 1990

Birth*[mo of Marcene Herm] Knapp was born circa 1910. Date estimated on daughter's birth year.2 
Married Name As of circa 1930,her married name was Herm.1 
Marriage*She married George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm, son of [f/o George A.] Herm and [m/o George Herm] Mc Ley, circa 1930 in California (assumed).1 
Death*[mo of Marcene Herm] Knapp died circa 1990 in California (assumed). Date estimated on birth year.2 

Family

George A. [candidate f/o Marcene] Herm b. 18 Oct 1911, d. 1 Dec 1978
Child

Last Edited21 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S1] California Birth Index 1905-1995, Birth record (1905-1995).
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

Helen Knobler1,2,3

F, b. 1860, d. December 1911

ChartsDrettler-White Ancestors: Combined
Drettler Ancestors

Birth*Helen Knobler was born in 1860 in Austria. Birth date from Abraham's naturalization petiition.2,4 
Married Name As of 1883,her married name was Drettler Birth date from Abraham's naturalization petiition.2,4 
Marriage*She married Abraham Drettler, son of Isidor Dreiblatt and [wife of Isidor Dreiblatt] (--?--), in 1883 in Hungary; Date from Abraham's naturalization petiition.2,4 
Death*Helen Knobler died in December 1911 in Austria. Date and place of death from Abraham's Petition for Citizenship in 1932.5
 
Name Variation As of 1932, Helen Knobler was also known as Arma First name from Abraham's naturalization petiition. Correct name is Helen. Arma is incorrectly transcribed on Abraham's typed naturalization petition. There were many transcription errors (most of the children's names had errors) on this naturalization record.6 

Family

Abraham Drettler b. 1860, d. 22 May 1946
Children

Last Edited6 Dec 2010

Citations:

  1. There were three different spellings of the surname on Max's, Morris's, and William's naturalization records.
    Spellings of Helen's surname on naturalization records were: Knubler (Morris 1936), Knoblock (Wm 1946), Knobler (Max 1959).
  2. [S9] Ellis Island Records.
  3. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Naturalization records of Max, Morris, and William Drettler., unknown repository address.
  4. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, unknown repository address.
  5. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Abraham's petition for citizenchip, unknown repository address.
  6. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Naturalization record of Abraham Drettler., unknown repository address.
  7. [S8] S.S. Kroonland.
  8. [S8] S.S. ___ arriving New York in 1925.
  9. [S40] Unknown repository unknown record type, Petition of Abraham Drettler, 1931., unknown repository address.

Elul Kolyil1,2,3

M

Last Edited28 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. 1910 census:
    Elul Kolyil age 32, married 7 yrs, born Austria, immigrated 1904, occupation Street Peddlar.
  2. [S6] 1930 Federal Census, New York-New York Co, Manhattan, Ward 11, ED 235.
  3. [S21] 1910 Federal Census, New York-New York Co, Manhattan, Ward 11, ED 235.

Louis Kresner1

M, b. between 1860 and 1861, d. 31 May 1925

Father*[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner1 b. c 1835, d. c 1910
Mother*[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--)1 b. c 1840, d. c 1915
Louis Kresner|b. bt 1860 - 1861\nd. 31 May 1925|p3.htm#i103|[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner|b. c 1835\nd. c 1910|p3.htm#i101|[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--)|b. c 1840\nd. c 1915|p1.htm#i102|||||||||||||

Birth*Louis Kresner was born between 1860 and 1861 in Russia.1  
Marriage*He married Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--) circa 1881 in Russia.1 
Immigration*Louis Kresner immigrated in 1903 to U.S. from Russia.1 
Census*He appeared on the census of 1910 in 682 Ames Street, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York, Age 49, married 29 years, immigrated to US in 1903, not naturalized, storekeeper/grocer.1 
Death*He died on 31 May 1925 in Brooklyn, Kings Co, New York. Certificate number 11303.2 

Family

Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--) b. bt 1873 - 1874, d. 18 Jun 1938
Children

Last Edited10 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S21] 1910 Federal Census, 1910 NY-Kings Co, Brooklyn, AD 26, ED 729.
  2. [S37] Stevemorse.org, online http://stevemorse.org, New York Deaths.

Matilda "Tillie" Kresner1

F, b. 1893, d. circa 1970

Father*Louis Kresner1 b. bt 1860 - 1861, d. 31 May 1925
Mother*Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--)1 b. bt 1873 - 1874, d. 18 Jun 1938
Matilda "Tillie" Kresner|b. 1893\nd. c 1970|p3.htm#i124|Louis Kresner|b. bt 1860 - 1861\nd. 31 May 1925|p3.htm#i103|Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--)|b. bt 1873 - 1874\nd. 18 Jun 1938|p1.htm#i104|[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner|b. c 1835\nd. c 1910|p3.htm#i101|[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--)|b. c 1840\nd. c 1915|p1.htm#i102|||||||

Birth*Matilda "Tillie" Kresner was born in 1893 in Russia.1  
ImmigrationShe witnessed the immigration of Louis Kresner in 1903 in U.S. from Russia.1 
CensusMatilda "Tillie" Kresner appeared on the census of 1910 in the household of Louis Kresner in 682 Ames Street, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York, Age 49, married 29 years, immigrated to US in 1903, not naturalized, storekeeper/grocer.1 
Death*Matilda "Tillie" Kresner died circa 1970 in New York (assumed). Date estimated on birth year.2 

Last Edited20 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S21] 1910 Federal Census, 1910 NY-Kings Co, Brooklyn, AD 26, ED 729.
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

Rose Kresner1

F, b. between 1869 and 1870, d. 28 February 1936

Father*[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner1 b. c 1835, d. c 1910
Mother*[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--)1 b. c 1840, d. c 1915
Rose Kresner|b. bt 1869 - 1870\nd. 28 Feb 1936|p3.htm#i98|[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner|b. c 1835\nd. c 1910|p3.htm#i101|[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--)|b. c 1840\nd. c 1915|p1.htm#i102|||||||||||||

ChartsDrettler-White Ancestors: Combined
White Ancestors

Birth*Rose Kresner was born between 1869 and 1870 in Odessa (assumed), Russia.1  
Married Name As of circa 1888,her married name was Bjalostozky.1 
Marriage*She married (--?--) Bjalostozky circa 1888 in Russia; Widowed by 1906 (from immigration record).1,2 
Emigration*Rose Kresner emigrated on 10 April 1906 from Odessa, Ukraine, M; via Liverpool, England.3
Immigration*She immigrated on 21 April 1906 to Ellis Island, New York.4,5
Census*She appeared on the census of 1910 in 677 Ames Street, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York, Rose age 41, widowed.1
Name Variation As of 1910, Rose Kresner was also known as Belostozky.1 
CensusShe appeared on the census of 1920 Unable to locate in census (NY-Kings Co) under White, Belostozky, Belo* using Rose, Ros*. 
Death*She died on 28 February 1936 in Kings County, New York. Listed as Rose A. White in New York City Death Index. Age 66. Certificate #5098 (1936). It is believed that this is the correct Rose White, but this needs to be verified. This is the only Rose White I found born 1869-1870 listed in NY Deaths in Kings Co.6 

Family

(--?--) Bjalostozky b. c 1865, d. bt 1897 - 1906
Marriage*She married (--?--) Bjalostozky circa 1888 in Russia; Widowed by 1906 (from immigration record).1,2 
Children

Last Edited7 Jan 2011

Citations:

  1. [S21] 1910 Federal Census, 1910 NY-Kings Co, Brooklyn, AD 26, ED 729.
  2. [S8] Rose Bjalostozky, immigration 1906.
  3. [S8] S.S. Caronia, departure 10 Apr 1906.
  4. [S8] S.S. Caronia, arrival 21 Apr 1906.
  5. [S9] Ellis Island Records.
  6. [S14] NY Deaths, online www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath, from www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeathresults.html.

Rose Kresner1

F, b. 1886, d. circa 1965

Father*Louis Kresner1 b. bt 1860 - 1861, d. 31 May 1925
Mother*Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--)1 b. bt 1873 - 1874, d. 18 Jun 1938
Rose Kresner|b. 1886\nd. c 1965|p3.htm#i123|Louis Kresner|b. bt 1860 - 1861\nd. 31 May 1925|p3.htm#i103|Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--)|b. bt 1873 - 1874\nd. 18 Jun 1938|p1.htm#i104|[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner|b. c 1835\nd. c 1910|p3.htm#i101|[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--)|b. c 1840\nd. c 1915|p1.htm#i102|||||||

Birth*Rose Kresner was born in 1886 in Russia.1  
ImmigrationShe witnessed the immigration of Louis Kresner in 1903 in U.S. from Russia.1 
CensusRose Kresner appeared on the census of 1910 in the household of Louis Kresner in 682 Ames Street, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York, Age 49, married 29 years, immigrated to US in 1903, not naturalized, storekeeper/grocer.1 
Death*Rose Kresner died circa 1965 in New York (assumed). Date estimated on birth year.2 

Last Edited20 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S21] 1910 Federal Census, 1910 NY-Kings Co, Brooklyn, AD 26, ED 729.
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

William Kresner1

M, b. 4 July 1894, d. April 1965

Father*Louis Kresner1 b. bt 1860 - 1861, d. 31 May 1925
Mother*Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--)1 b. bt 1873 - 1874, d. 18 Jun 1938
William Kresner|b. 4 Jul 1894\nd. Apr 1965|p3.htm#i105|Louis Kresner|b. bt 1860 - 1861\nd. 31 May 1925|p3.htm#i103|Dora [w/o Louis Kresner] (--?--)|b. bt 1873 - 1874\nd. 18 Jun 1938|p1.htm#i104|[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner|b. c 1835\nd. c 1910|p3.htm#i101|[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--)|b. c 1840\nd. c 1915|p1.htm#i102|||||||

Birth*William Kresner was born on 4 July 1894 in Russia. Date from SSDI.1,2 
ImmigrationHe witnessed the immigration of Louis Kresner in 1903 in U.S. from Russia.1 
CensusWilliam Kresner appeared on the census of 1910 in the household of Louis Kresner in 682 Ames Street, Brooklyn, Kings County, New York, Age 49, married 29 years, immigrated to US in 1903, not naturalized, storekeeper/grocer.1 
SSN*His Social Security Number was 101-10-0178, issued between 1936 and 1950 in New York.2 
Death*William Kresner died in April 1965 in Miami, Florida, at age 70.2  

Last Edited21 Nov 2010

Citations:

  1. [S21] 1910 Federal Census, 1910 NY-Kings Co, Brooklyn, AD 26, ED 729.
  2. [S2] SSDI.

[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner1

M, b. circa 1835, d. circa 1910

ChartsDrettler-White Ancestors: Combined
White Ancestors

Birth*[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner was born circa 1835 in Russia.1,2  
Marriage*He married [mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--) circa 1860 in Russia (assumed).1,2 
Death*[fa of Rose b 1869] Kresner died circa 1910 in Russia (assumed).1,2  

Family

[mo of Rose Kresner b 1869] (--?--) b. c 1840, d. c 1915
Children

Last Edited26 Jan 2011

Citations:

  1. [S21] 1910 Federal Census, 1910 NY-Kings Co, Brooklyn, AD 26, ED 729.
  2. [S3] Estimation/Calculation based on other known dates or places.

Elisabeth Ledermann1

F, b. circa 1850, d. circa 1925

Birth*Elisabeth Ledermann was born circa 1850.1  
Married Name As of circa 1870,her married name was Haslibacher.1 
Marriage*She married Samuel Haslibacher circa 1870 in New York (assumed).1 
Death*Elisabeth Ledermann died circa 1925.1  

Family

Samuel Haslibacher b. c 1850, d. c 1925

Last Edited14 Feb 2011

Citations:

  1. [S48] New York Marriages, 1686-1980: Entry for Ferda Drettler (daughter) and Samuel Haslibacher.
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